This story is about a girl who believed she was better at weaving that Athene who created weaving. Athene came down to the village where the girl lived and told the girl that if she was able to weave better then her she could keep her life. The contest began and while Athene was weaving the girl hung herself. Now there were two different versions of the story and first said that an old women came to the girl telling her not to do the contest. In the second this did not happen. I wonder if the girl hung herself because of the things that Athene showed from the weaving. Where they too much for they girl to handle?
For anyone who wasn't sure:
The first story (the one with Minerva) was the Roman story. This came after the original Greek story.
Then second story (with Athene) was the Greek story. This was the original.
The overall theme of the story(stories) is a warning against humanity's pride and lack of respect for the gods. While the details differ from the Greek to Roman versions, the goddess's ultimate reaction to the human's pride is pity. Athene, though at first upset and vengeful, redeems Arachne's shame by granting her the form of a spider.
In contrasting the Greek and Roman versions, Arachne's tapestry is an important detail. While the Greek account has Arachne spinning scenes of happiness (kids playing), beauty (flowers), and the like, the Roman Arachne is more spiteful, spinning scenes of the gods' imperfections and downfalls.
Athene/Minerva's tapestry is likewise a relevant detail. The Greek Athene weaves scenes of ultimate meaning to humanity: the gods teaching arts to humanity and the future of mankind. The Roman account shows a more wrathful goddess- Minerva's tapestry "illustrated the displeasure of the gods at presumptuous mortals who dared to contend with [the gods]."
I feel that this portrays a feeling of disconnect between humans and gods in the Roman version. The goddess's final reaction is the same in both accounts, but the Greek Athene is more empathetic than the Roman Minerva. The Greek Arachne is also kinder than her Roman counterpart (only the Greek account has Arachne giving a gift to the goddess). I can speculate that perhaps the Greeks felt more strongly associated with their gods, as if the gods were watching out for them, and "rooting them on."
When reading through these 2 articles I saw the differences but in each story still I struggled tying this back to religion. The connection I made though was that a woman was in control here. So patriarchy can be seen once again. Which rarely happens I guess. I filled out the chart and after filling it out and taking a second read through the articles you can see where patriarchy between the stories are seen. It was helpful that we knew that the Roman story came after the Greek story. At the end of each story though, it portrays women well, the goddess Athene shows mercy in her own form i guess, she turns Arachne into a spider and lets her practice her weaving for the rest of her life.
It is easy to see the differances in the two stories and intresting to. And as far as religion is concerned for the Greeks and Romans this was religion so that wasnt a struggle for me. What I want to know is were the differences based on cultural differances or is there something else to explain why they told the story diffrerant ways?
Thanks for picking two short articles! I’m swamped! : ) Anyway, these are two very interesting stories. I feel like not only is it a way for the people of that time period to explain the world around them, but a story that shows it’s not wise to be prideful and conceited. I liked how you showed two different stories and had us do a chart just like the creation stories. I think this shows that stories like these are meant to teach a lesson, not be taken literally. To me the Arachne from the Roman story seemed more like a strong women. She may have put her foot in her mouth, but she stood by what she said and accomplished her task. I feel like the Arachne from the Greek or original story ( Thanks Mark!) was conceited but also manipulative. She cries and then tries to win favor with the goddess by offering her a gift. Although a kind gesture, she only did so after the fact that Athene came down and told her to prepare to die. I think it would be interesting to discuss the differences between the two women and see what people thought of both of them.
I took a few different ideas from these articles, the first being that it was unique to see a women in the position of power and strength. Athene possessed both masculine(agriculture and navigation) and feminine(spinning and weaving) qualities and is not portrayed as a victim either, which is also unique. However, another thought I had was that the female has to be more like a man in order to be in a position of power and control. I tried to look past the lessons about pride and see how this relates to patriarchy, and I see connections between this and the other articles we have read such as the ones about witchcraft and female circumcision. They relate because they are show women going against other women; another factor in patriarchy that is enabling it to continue.
I had a little struggle figuring out which story was roman and which was greek, but figured it out with a little research and thanks to Mark;). I noticed mild differences between the two stories. The Goddess's response to Arachne is quite different. Minerva says "do not compete with a Goddess but I may pardon you." In the greek story, Althena says "miserable girl any reason I shall not kill you? But prepare for death." The greek story is harsh and Arachne has no way out of this situation, but it seems in the roman story she is a bit more forgiving. In the roman story Arachne is not ashamed but in the greek story she is weeping, very ashamed, and offering gifts for her mistake. In roman, Arachne insults the gods/goddesses but in the greek she weaves joyous pictures begging for forgiveness. In Roman I see her as a strong character standing up for what she believes in but in Greek she is weak, trying to take back all that was said badly about Althena. In both stories the Goddess tries to warn Arachne of what is to come. Thinking about patriarchy, I see a connection of what Althena/Minerva weaved. If Arachne did not give up the future of man was at stake and there would be displeasure of Gods, respectively. Althena/Minerva wanted to do what was satisfying for the Gods here on Earth.
I had a hard time figuring out which story was the Greek story and which was the Roman story. The one where Arachne stood up for herself I thought was interesting because Minerva was just plain sneaky with disguising herself to find out what Arachne really thought of her. Then Minerva cheated! She knew she would lose so she made Arachne feel so much guilt that she went and hanged herself. The other story, I felt that Athena was a completely different person. She gave Arachne a chance to save herself, almost giving her mercy because she thought that Arachne was just a pathetic human who had gotten too big of a head. Then Athena actually won fairly and then Arachne hanged herself because she knew she had lost.
im not really a fan of Geek stories so i dont really like this story. They make it seems like God are so evil selfish. The girl was killed just because she thinks she can weave better than the Goddess?? If gods have no mercy at all, then why do people still worship them? People are getting crazy about their religion, and in return get nothing out of it. The Roman version was confusing to read in my opinion. I don’t see much difference between the two besides the wordings; they both have the same story line. I guess this story did a good job portraying that regardless of gender differences, men and women are both evil the same.
In the Greek myth, Athene arrives and declares “I am the goddess you have mocked.” Arachne seems to be repentant, so Athene decides to give Arachne a chance to live and schedules a contest to take place a week later. Arachne weaves “joyous scenes” documenting the love story of a heterosexual couple. Athene teaches the men to plow, sail, and ride in chariots, while the women are given instruction on how to spin. This is evidence of the existence of traditional gender roles in Greek society. The story ends with Arachne as a spider spinning “without rivalry until the end of time.” Was this a happy ending for Arachne?
In the Roman myth, it is Arachne who proposes a competition, saying “I am not afraid of the goddess; let her try her skill, if she dare venture.” Minerva, who is portrayed as merciful, appears as an old lady and tries to warn Arachne not to compete with a goddess. However, the strong and fearless Arachne notes “If beaten, I will pay the penalty.” Arachne weaves scenes which depict “the failings and errors of the gods.” Minerva, on the other hand, weaves the scene of her contest with Neptune along with “incidents illustrating the displeasure of the gods at such presumptuous mortals as had dared to contend with them.” This myth ends with Arachne committing suicide after being forced to “feel her guilt and shame.” Her transformation into a spider serves as a reminder of the lesson she learned from Arachne, and the story clearly does not end happily for Arachne.
I was amazed with the numerous similarities between the Greek and Roman myths. In each of the myths, the goddess is born from her father’s forehead. Is this significant? I believe the Greek myth contains more patriarchal elements than the Roman myth. Is it the case that the Greek community was more patriarchal than the Roman community?
The two stories discuss the story of Arachne and her eventual fate (turning into a spider). Arachne has the gift of weaving and does it beautifully. She is admired by nymphs and townspeople, alike. She then makes a comment saying that she is better than Athene (in the original and Minerva in the second). Athene/Minerva show up and challenge Arachne to a competition to see who is the best weaver in the world after all. In the end, Arachne loses and is overcome with guilt and shame and hangs herself. Athene/Minerva then spare her life by forever changing her into a spider where she can "weave without competition." I felt as though Athene/Minerva were not merciful Gods. Athene was going to kill Arachne and Minerva gave Arachne extreme guilt and shame (enough to have her hang herself). I know that this story was one with a woman battling a woman. But I didn't really notice this or think about it until the end. I just took it as a Goddess taking on a mortal. Would the story have been different if the mortal had been a man? Or vice versa?